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"Empire of AI" w/Karen Hao

How to reclaim our agency in an age of AI
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Welcome back to Untangled. Today, I’m sharing my conversation with Karen Hao, award-winning reporter covering artificial intelligence and author of NYT bestseller, Empire of AI. We discuss:

  • The scale-at-all cost approach to AI Big Tech is pursuing — the misguided assumptions and beliefs it rests upon, and the harms it causes.

  • How the companies pursuing this approach represent a modern-day empire, and the role narrative power plays in sustaining it.

  • Boomers, doomers, and the religion of AGI.

  • Alternative visions of AI that center consent, community ownership, context, and don’t come at the expense of people’s livelihoods, public health, and the environment.

  • How to reclaim our agency in an age of AI.

“The most successful founders do not set out to create companies. They are on a mission to create something closer to a religion, and at some point it turns out that forming a company is the easiest way to do so.'“ - Sam Altman, 2013 (from Karen Hao’s Empire of AI)

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